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    Default 790 S and R sure donít get much play here.

    I just picked up a 790R and there are a lot of aftermarket goodies being talked about on other sites.
    where is our guys input?

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    Default Re: 790 S and R sure donít get much play here.

    I rode a R model a month or so back. Nice, well balanced bike for it's size. Made to compete against other twin cylinder bikes. But I believe the general consensus is that the 690's are a better, lighter and more proven package. If you plan to ride more street then the 790 gets more appealing but in the dirt the 690's are superior.
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    Default Re: 790 S and R sure donít get much play here.

    That makes since as KTM is 400% over sold on the 790ís

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    Default Re: 790 S and R sure donít get much play here.

    OP, that's merely the bias of ktmtalk, this is a dirtbiker website....
    when a KTMtalker like Pete says "can't do offroad" they mean "can't do real single track"... which while NOT perfectly true, it's "directionally correct."
    But KTM ADV R's sure as hell do a lot of offroad, and do it well. Only when you get down to gnarl does the ADV simply stop to be the correct tool for the job.

    To criticize ktm ADV bikes by this measure is same as criticizing a 500EXC as not a great bike to ride the freeway to Alaska from Florida.
    Simply not the right tool for the job, although it could be done.


    But read on, or go over to ADVrider if you want to robustly understand the actual full version of events....

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    I've not heard that "consensus."

    What I've heard , read, seen, and has been exhaustively and universally established as fact (and I've tested personally with extensive riding) is:
    *690's are an inbetween bike that's not as good as EXC's off pavement and not as good as any twin on pavement
    *as such they are one of the dogs of the KTM line
    &
    *the 790R is amazing and game-changing, a true successor to the mighty 950 Super Enduro - picking up the mantle, but more capable in every way
    *all sold out before first run ever shipped

    Having owned 5-6 950SE's, 5-6 950/990ADV's, 4 1190 ADV's, and of course my 1290SAR, i was real curious to lay hands on a 790R.
    I had just bought a new SAR last Oct, so wasn't in a position to get a 790R this year, but a buddy has one and I've ridden it extensively.
    *best suspension on 2 wheels i've ever ridden, period (and i have full Factory Connection on my 19 500 right now)
    *handling, electronics, power, smoothness, ability to flat rip is beyond anything i've experienced - as a complete package
    *it is all that and a bag of chips - nothing on the market compares right now and to suggest a 690 is even in the ballpark reflects the limited experience of whoever says it, or at best the bias of how they ride (single track riders scoffing at ADV bikes becuase "they're too big")

    Yes yes yes yes YESSSSSSS, i get it - there are technical offroad situations where a smaller bike is better, b/c it's a smaller bike......and a 690 is a smaller bike...so if you get down into some single track, it becomes a better tool for the job.
    When the job is climbing tree's, don't expect a Horse to be the right animal for the job, find a squirrel.


    While the 790 will do basic single track, hell so will my SAR, all my 950SE's, etc... that's not the ideal stomping ground for an ADVENTURE BIKE.... you don't buy an ADVENTURE bike for single track.
    But as soon as it's NOT real single track, the 790 comes into it's element.
    Double track, rip, non issue.

    Jeep roads and above - stand back..... absolutely amazing....

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    I like to have several bikes, and specialty tools for the job, hence having the 1290SAR, a 500, and a few others who rotate through with fairly high frequency.

    If you could only have 1 bike, you'd need to get real honest about how you use it to make the best choice.
    Only the individual can answer that, but the 690 specifically is harder and harder to justify it's existence.
    Buy a 500 or a 790 if you're looking seriously at a 690.

    I find i can use my SAR for 90% of my riding now, 500 sits un-used. But then on an average day ride (300 miles), i get less than 5 miles of single track, so doesn't really matter much.

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    Here's a few pics from me and buddy's last 790R/1290R ride.
    A 690 would have had hands full to keep up, shy of an expert rider.
    This IS offroad... but ADV/DS style offroad.
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    Default Re: 790 S and R sure donít get much play here.

    I don't see where that Pete guy said a 790 can't do off road especially when you compare the 790 to 950s and bigger bikes. Against fatter (size and weight) twin cylinder bikes the 790 is great but even on dirt roads I find a thinner, lighter bike is (read: 690) almost always a plus. I've gone too hot into Arkansas dirt road corners fighting the girth of a fat bike where a smaller bike would have made it fun. The whole thing is subjective so jump on your ride and enjoy.
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    Default Re: 790 S and R sure donít get much play here.

    Quote Originally Posted by wfopete View Post
    I don't see where that Pete guy said a 790 can't do off road especially when you compare the 790 to 950s and bigger bikes. Against fatter (size and weight) twin cylinder bikes the 790 is great but even on dirt roads I find a thinner, lighter bike is (read: 690) almost always a plus. I've gone too hot into Arkansas dirt road corners fighting the girth of a fat bike where a smaller bike would have made it fun. The whole thing is subjective so jump on your ride and enjoy.
    I won't debate you to the end, particularly as i acknowledge/accept/support that this is a DIRTBIKER page, over at ADV rider it's an ADVENTURE site and you'd be shouted down with plenty of thrown cabbages.

    But you did explicitly state that 690 is better off-pavement bike, and that 790 is a great choice if wanting a pavement bike.

    That's just fundamentally wrong and misleading, even with the accepted/understood bias of this page.

    Obviously i have no horse in the race, no related bikes i'm trying to sell, and don't care, but i think we do need questions to be answered with a little more "fair and balanced" style insight - these guys may actually purchase the wrong bike for their purposes based on feedback.
    It's totally possible a 690 is the RIGHT bike... but let them make those decisions based on valid feedback, weighed against how they plan to use the tool.

    Tool for every job - in my case, i like lots of tools for lots of different jobs... it's either that, or i go back to Hookers & Coke.
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    Default Re: 790 S and R sure donít get much play here.

    OP, here's 800 page thread on the 790 if you want some light reading:
    https://advrider.com/f/threads/ktm-7...nture.1260491/

    Somewhat ironically, the 1st post that kicked off those 800 pages - is a 690 owner looking to get a better bike............the 790.
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    Default Re: 790 S and R sure donít get much play here.

    I'm not interested enough to bother reading. Too many people with too many opinions and I'm not interested in changing theirs to suit mine.

    Right now I'm more interested in finding a nice 83-85 KDX200. If you know of one in Arkansas PM me.

    I tossed out my 2 cents and that's that.
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    Default Re: 790 S and R sure donít get much play here.

    2005 KTM 576 RFS, 2018 Husky FE 501, and now
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    Ride report pending.
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    Default Re: 790 S and R sure donít get much play here.

    I'm liking the 790R. It's not a single track bike, but is a decent off-road bike. It carries its weight very well, and is much slimmer and lighter than my SuperTenere. It feels very planted, and after lowering the pegs and raising the bars slightly the ergonomics suit me pretty well. It's more durable for longer mixed-use riding than the bigger thumpers I've owned.

    I had an FE501. It was not a good tight single track bike, nor was it a a great adventure bike for me, as it's really not tailored for any long distance on-roading to get to the off-road segments. It was a great larger trail bike. I loved riding it in Moab, doing longer offroad stints, but it would wear me out on single track, and on the highway.

    The SuperTenere is a huge adventure bike. It was great on-road, but felt every bit of a top-heavy 600 lb bike off-road. It always felt squirrelly on offroad trails, especially on sand and gravel. God help me if I ever dumped it offroad riding alone.

    The 790 handles as well as the ST on-road (has as much HP and torque, while being well over 100 lbs lighter), and feels very planted on wider offroad trails, forest roads, etc. I have dropped it, and it's lower weight and lower center of gravity makes it easy (ok, easier) to pick up.

    To me, an 800cc adventure bike fills a good niche between the bigger thumpers and the huge adventure bikes. I haven't found a good all purpose bike, so that's why I have a wide range of rides. But I'll gladly take the 790 over both the FE501 and SuperTenere.

    And for tight single track, I'm loving the XTrainer. Small frame, very flickable, and plenty of power.

    JMHO.
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