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    Hey everybody-

    Took a little hiatus from dirt bikes but I'm making a come back! Being the "den mother" of my riding group, nobody rides unless I do! It's my duty to carry the torch!

    So I just sold my 2014 300 xc and I pick up my 2020 300 XC-W TPI this week. I'm trying not to read too much as I feel some folks are just born to complain! However, overall this model seems well received. I haven't kept up with all the changes very well. Have they ironed out the starting systems? Are the new systems oil bathed? Do they come with LI batteries? I spent the most shop time maintaining the starter on my 2014. Bike was rock solid otherwise. I'm a little gun shy because of this and the lack of a kicker on the 2020. I am thinking about ordering a kick start kit with it. However, I hate to lace into a brand new motor! My dealer wants North of $600 to install one! Other than being sluggish on cold days how reliable are the new systems and what major changes did ktm make to achieve this?
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    I never used my kickstart at all on my 17 300 XCW , never had any issues and so far my 20 has been flawless as well so in my experience they are reliable.

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    Just change out the crappy OEM bushings for bronze ones and it is good.
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    seems like nowadays the battery is the weakest link.

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    Mine has been perfect so far and I just fired it up this morning (19deg) to let the battery charge up some.
    These bike are really great now days not much to worry about.
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    The 17+ systems are a lot better than your 14 was, but not perfect. There are still threads and FB posts about issues with them. IMO, they are not reliable enough to make removing the kicker a good idea. But I'm sure it saved KTM some money. I've seen the KTM hardparts kicker add package for $250 or so on the internet. Shouldn't be too hard to install yourself. $600 sounds kind of steep.

    Yes, they do have lithium batteries stock. No, they are not oil bathed. More or less like the old system except no intermediate/crown gear. You need to basically pull the motor to get the starter motor out, so a BIG step backwards there.
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    I went from a 2014 TE300 Husky to a 2019 TE300i much same as you.While the 14 was an awesome bike the 19 is better and they say 20 is better than that.

    The 19 has a much better starter.works hot or cold. Although if LI battery is cold need to push start button once quickly then wait 5 seconds to warm battery.Mine has a kicker but I donít think I would spend the money to put one on if it didnít.You can still roll start the bike if needed.

    i did make the mistake of leaving my garmin gps hooked up to battery overnight.Running the battery down to 7 volts bike would not start even with kickstarter. I carry a spare battery in truck now and donít run gps off of bike.

    I am planning on replacing the two bushings under ign cover with the brass ones as preventative maint.

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    The starter systems are much better on the new generation bikes. Also, the TPI bikes have a really good charging output, so the battery will always be getting a good charge while the bike is running. We have a lot of water crossings here, and in a wet season we see some starter motors ingest water causing failure (haven't seen any TPI starters fail, only carb'd bikes). It isn't clear how the water is getting into the starter, as the stator area usually doesn't apprear to have had water in it. There is a barb below the stator cover, I put a hose on it and run the hose up high so water can't get in there just in case. If you don't ride in water, don't worry about that.

    I also use Funrider's stronger bushings so I don't have to worry about the stockers going bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ky99 View Post
    You can still roll start the bike if needed.
    If you don't have a Rekluse, are not in mud/sand, not at the bottom of a hill, etc.

    i did make the mistake of leaving my garmin gps hooked up to battery overnight.Running the battery down to 7 volts bike would not start even with kickstarter. I carry a spare battery in truck now and donít run gps off of bike.
    Run it off the yellow wire that goes to the headlight switch, assuming the TE is the one that comes with lights. That wire goes dead about 6 seconds after the bike is shut down.
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    If you are concerned about not having a kicker, here's a video that shows a bunch of ways to start your bike without one. The new starters are just about as reliable as the one in your car.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnVW8Vcgnpg


    I replaced my stock bushings with the XCR bronze bushings at 70 hours. Completely unnecessary! The stock bushings still looked brand new. I figure if you replace the stock bushings every 100 hours, you won't have any problems.The stock bushings are 64 cents each. The XCR bushings are $10 each.
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