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    Default Re: Thinking of getting a performance car, throw me your opinions

    What vehicle are you towing with?
    S mode on my F150 holds the gears way to long, with the 3.5EB torque no need to rev it. Like if you are cruising at 40 it will be in 3rd or 4th when it can easily pull 5th or 6th.
    S mode also kills MPG.

    My truck is rated for 11,000 so towing 4000 is nothing. My complaint is the drive by wire. The gas pedal is like it's connected by rubber band, push- nothing, push more - nothing, push hard- drop 2 gears.

    With the pedal commander, push- it speeds up a little, push more- speeds up more. No down shift. My towing MPG went up 10%.
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    Default Re: Thinking of getting a performance car, throw me your opinions

    Flex AWD Eco. S mode works well towing or not towing. Doesn't rev out unless I get in it. It does rev a little further than not, but not bad. At 45mph, and about 2500 rpm, I either shift to 5th, or it shifts to 5th on D mode. Have not really paid attn in Sport mode since I don't use it that much.

    My throttle response is instant, no real delay.
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    Default Re: Thinking of getting a performance car, throw me your opinions

    My Fusion Sport doesn't have the throttle lag, just the F150. My Fusion doesn't rev that much in S mode either, but being a 2.7 it always revs a lot more than my F150 with the 3.5.

    The F150 3.5 EB has more torque then the one in the Flex or the Explorer. Flex has 350 ft lb, my F150 has 420, newer F150 have 470. Probably just valve timing and tune.
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    Yep, too much torque in this car and the motor would tear the drivetrain out. Haha

    There are some hopped up Flexes out there. I have seen vid of one pushing about 600HP. Not sure what all they did to keep the drivetrain in it.

    The truck is built for it. Would not doubt the trucks have different turbos too. I figure there is a lot left on the table if I can gain so much difference with just a shifter change from D to S.

    I wanted a truck when I bought this car, but they were just a bit more than I was willing to fork out tlat the time.
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    Default Re: Thinking of getting a performance car, throw me your opinions

    When my truck was in the shop they gave me a Flex, it seemed like a pretty decent vehicle, obviously it was a stripped down one.
    I wondered what the 3.5 EB AWD would be like. Probably pretty similar to the top Explorer with more cargo room? With the seats down it had a lot of room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale View Post
    When my truck was in the shop they gave me a Flex, it seemed like a pretty decent vehicle, obviously it was a stripped down one.
    I wondered what the 3.5 EB AWD would be like. Probably pretty similar to the top Explorer with more cargo room? With the seats down it had a lot of room.
    It's an interesting car. I have had classics, sports cars, lowered trucks, touring type comfort cars, and this kind of rolls them all into one. Handles like a sports car, is quick like one, rides like a luxury type sports/touring car, and has all the amenities. Goes in the snow like a 4wd, just doesn't have a ton of ground clearance. Big difference in the performance from the FWD normal 3.5, which I had prior. This chassis, steering is very solid, confidence inspiring. Also, I can fit several 10' 2x4's in it if I want. I have hauled 4x8 sheets of plywood cut in half long ways too, along with an 8' ladder. I also from time to time tow my 1000 lb mower, and lawn tools along with it. The Explorer is wider and taller. I don't think it rides as well, or handles as well. I tested one prior to this. But yes, the Sport model Explorer has the 3.5 Eco if I am not mistaken.

    I took my previous one to ME on a trip. Drove back in one day and can say I never got uncomfortable, 17 hours. Had the whole family, 4 of us, and all our gear inside. One son rode in the middle row, and the youngest rode in the back row. We loaded up one side, behind the driver, with all our stuff. Having the Flex is the first vehicle I have owned that we can go on vacation and have room left over. LOL

    I really like what Ford has accomplished with its vehicles over the last several years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale View Post
    The ECU will adjust the tune to your fuel, if you run higher octane it will bump up the timing.
    Normally I buy 87 since I burn so much but with gas cheap I've been running 89.
    If you bought just for a fun car, 93 will give you the most power but here it cost .60 to .80 more a gallon.
    You know what puzzles me....

    I remember all through my childhood, then teen years, even through my twentys, Gas was whatever it was per gallon..... Say 1.25$ per gallon of 87.

    And whatever it was for 87, 89 was maybe 10 cents more, and 93 was another 10 cents more on top of that.

    I remember as a teen, we would splurge and fill our cars up with 93 on friday nights, for that " Extra power " ( yeah I know now it doesn't make extra power) so we could have a little more advantage as we raced each other or did burn outs etc.... I mean, even for a teenager, a extra 20 cents for 10 gallons of gas... 2 bucks wasn't much.

    Then gas prices went nuts after hurricane katrina and seems ever since, premium has been much more than 87.

    I almost think its because these days, there is alot of cars on the road that require it, and the gas stations are taking advantage of it. Same with Diesel, back in my youth and teens Diesel pickups were semi rare... Wasn't till the mid to late 1990's when Dodge came out with the restyled Ram with the cummins, and Ford started selling their " power stroke " trucks, did all of a sudden people started wanting diesel trucks, then over the years that followed, diesel trucks were everywhere, and diesel pricing started going up.

    I know my car and my truck are actually designed to run on 93. And their power ratings are only achieved running 93. They will retard timing and run without damage on 87, but with less power. Im too cheap to spend the extra 60 cents or so 93 costs at the moment
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmoss View Post
    You can't buy gas mileage.

    As far as shifting in S mode. You are correct to a degree. It does become a manualon upshifts but will down shift for you, so you are back in first at a light. You should be able to use the paddles in normal mode too. Something I did not realize for quite some time.

    Yep, once you have had better, tough to go back. I will be looking at an older truck soon, and I know even my trans makes the older 4 speeds feel like dumpy gappy garbage. 10 speed would be nice, but the 6 speed is adequate.
    Well, if you want to spend the least amount, don't go drive a newer truck with the 10 speed. It is leaps and bounds better than a 6 speed.

    Under light loads it often will start off in first then skip up to maybe 4th or 5th... Then work its way up to 10th. Under a load it shifts through every gear, but the gears are so close and it shifts so quickly the engine revs barely change with each ratio. And out on the highway, once in 10th, the engine is only around 1500 rpms, perfect for good MPG. I drove a 2.7 F150 with the 6 speed and then one with the 10 speed and it was so worth the upgrade and extra money.
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    Default Re: Thinking of getting a performance car, throw me your opinions

    good to know. I test drove a 2016 with the 2.7 and preferred it over the 3.5. IDK what trans was in it. It will be a few more years before I am ready to truck shop again...well, for me anyway. Will be buying an older one soon enough for my youngest to drive, and me to use. LOL
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    '08 85 XC
    '13 150 SX
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    '08 65 XC
    '10 300 XC
    '13 350 XCF
    '05 200 EXC #2
    '06 200 W
    '07 85 SX
    '12 350 XCF
    '12 150SX, converted to a 200 SX/W
    '08 200 SXC
    '02 50 SA
    '08 65 SX
    '05 200 EXC
    '05 250 EXC
    '07 250 SX
    '07 250 SXF
    '06 300 XCW
    '04 300 EXC
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    Quote Originally Posted by GyroRon View Post
    Well, if you want to spend the least amount, don't go drive a newer truck with the 10 speed. It is leaps and bounds better than a 6 speed.

    Under light loads it often will start off in first then skip up to maybe 4th or 5th... Then work its way up to 10th. Under a load it shifts through every gear, but the gears are so close and it shifts so quickly the engine revs barely change with each ratio. And out on the highway, once in 10th, the engine is only around 1500 rpms, perfect for good MPG. I drove a 2.7 F150 with the 6 speed and then one with the 10 speed and it was so worth the upgrade and extra money.
    Not sure the same is true on the 3.5, it has more torque. Mine is 1500-2000 rpm towing, which is the only thing I use it for.
    My car runs great with the 2.7 but that's a car not a 4x4 with a trailer.

    The f150 3.5 has 470 torque, 2.7 is 380. Still impressive but 20% difference.
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