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    I've been playing with some different needles now that we are getting into summer in my sons 03 200EXC and my 04 200SX 38mm carbs also we ride from 800 to 1400 elevation. Just curious which needles you guys like for summer heat and humidity. In the 200sx i had been running a DCK 3 and just put in CEK 4 to try as i haven't tried the CEK before. In the 200 exc I've been using DDL in the summer and it runs fairly clean but i like to tinker. How does the JD red do in the 200s compared to the single tapers.
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    I kept several in a series so I could adjsut by half clips. When its summer, I ran DCL with a 42 to 45 p. Did keep DDK, DCK, DCJ, and other combos of those. Never really liked the C** needles. A little less hit than I liked. When I was riding a lot and had mine dialed, I was swapping out needles season to season and leaving pilot alone for the most part. Like DCJ wnter, to DCK and finally to DCL as summer hit. Order some needles and tinker to fine tune. Other thing I do not about the C series, not as many half clip or small adjustment needles available.

    I did not notice a huge difference in the JD needles.
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    2012 200XCW


    Past bikes:
    '09 105 XC
    '08 85 XC
    '13 150 SX
    '14 200 W
    '15 150 SX, converted to 200 E start
    '08 65 XC
    '10 300 XC
    '13 350 XCF
    '05 200 EXC #2
    '06 200 W
    '07 85 SX
    '12 350 XCF
    '12 150SX, converted to a 200 SX/W
    '08 200 SXC
    '02 50 SA
    '08 65 SX
    '05 200 EXC
    '05 250 EXC
    '07 250 SX
    '07 250 SXF
    '06 300 XCW
    '04 300 EXC
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    Agreed on the hit on the C needles I haven't tried it other than playing around the house so far. They do seem like they would run cleaner on the days when you just want to cruise more than ride more aggressively.

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    Yep, they are a leaner taper with a bigger tip. I just got to not liking swapping so much. Haha

    And, on the old screw top 38, it was much easier to swap a needle than a pilot.
    2017 Husky TC 250
    2012 200XCW


    Past bikes:
    '09 105 XC
    '08 85 XC
    '13 150 SX
    '14 200 W
    '15 150 SX, converted to 200 E start
    '08 65 XC
    '10 300 XC
    '13 350 XCF
    '05 200 EXC #2
    '06 200 W
    '07 85 SX
    '12 350 XCF
    '12 150SX, converted to a 200 SX/W
    '08 200 SXC
    '02 50 SA
    '08 65 SX
    '05 200 EXC
    '05 250 EXC
    '07 250 SX
    '07 250 SXF
    '06 300 XCW
    '04 300 EXC
    A big thanks to FTI Racing!

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    I have all the d*K and D*L plus the c tapers i guess i like to tinker to much lol. I wish we could still get all of the honda needles i would like to try some of them. My 200sx had a 1468d in it when i got it and it was strong last winter but way to rich once it started warming up

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    You guys ever try tuning with mix ratios? I've had good results doing it for elevations and seasons. Worked for me on the STIC meter block too, as I didn't have larger jet collection upon installation. DDK was my happy place. Had to adjust the PV closer to Langston setting.
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    04 Scorpa SY250

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    I run 40 to 1 year round in all my bikes. I donít care much for the Langston setting I like the power coming on sooner. I would love to try the stic sometime. Seems to work well from the reviews.

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    No, never did. I have ran different ratios though and never could really tell a difference in the way the bike ran. I also run 40 to 1 in everything.
    2017 Husky TC 250
    2012 200XCW


    Past bikes:
    '09 105 XC
    '08 85 XC
    '13 150 SX
    '14 200 W
    '15 150 SX, converted to 200 E start
    '08 65 XC
    '10 300 XC
    '13 350 XCF
    '05 200 EXC #2
    '06 200 W
    '07 85 SX
    '12 350 XCF
    '12 150SX, converted to a 200 SX/W
    '08 200 SXC
    '02 50 SA
    '08 65 SX
    '05 200 EXC
    '05 250 EXC
    '07 250 SX
    '07 250 SXF
    '06 300 XCW
    '04 300 EXC
    A big thanks to FTI Racing!

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    If you like testing, do a search for the '07 200XC jetting thread. A loooong thread. Starts off topic, gets on topic and as all long threads wanders and ends off topic, but a lot of good info. Although that year started with the 36 mm carb, all info still pertains. Jetting wise the 38 mm would use 2 -3 steps larger mj, sometimes .5 clip richer, step richer needle diameter and/or 6.5 slide. I've tested all the mentioned needles and some not mentioned in various combinations. Bike setup, riding conditions, and most important riding style and rider power delivery preference vary greatly to what is considered "best". Best for who? That answer lies in the rider himself.

    After all the testing and actually enjoying the difference I tend to agree with Gmoss, in that there is not a huge difference between all the various needles. There is a difference but not night and day as you might expect. For me the Honda 1370dka & JD red 2 scribe are my preferred overall. I use the Honda needle for the .5 clip position and different needle diameter. Sudco DCL if I want crisp MX type power delivery.

    Depending on the extremes of temp change I find a .5 clip change on the same needle, adjust the a/s and a bump in the mj sufficient from winter to summer without having to change needles.
    '08 200XC
    '07 200XC
    '03 300EXC
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    I have a Honda series I'd sell ya.....1369 EKA and the 1/2 clip richer DKA....will only sell the needles together. LMK
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